Manson and Tarantino: A Conversation about Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood
FD: How accurate is the movie in terms of its treatment of the Manson family?
B: I think it's very accurate. For example, Sharon Tate did buy Roman Polanski a first edition of Thomas Hardy's Tess of the D'Urbervilles because they were planning on making a movie after the baby was born, and of course he later went on to do a film version of the novel called Tess with Natassja Kinski, and it was dedicated to Sharon. Also, Celio Drive where Tate lived was in a secluded area rather like they depicted it with the electronic gate and the embankment on either side, because the killers crawled along the embankment to break in. The filmmakers didn't focus on Steven Parent, who was killed leaving the guesthouse. That was not so much a mistake as an exclusion.
FD: Not emphasized.
B: Yeah, there were also houses close to Tate's house, and their residents did actually hear some things. The fact that the houses were close together, but the inhabitants couldn't see, but they could hear was accurate. The Manson "family" lived on Spahn ranch, and Squeaky took care of George. That's how they kept him quiet. That girl (Margaret Qualley) hitching a ride and bringing in Brad Pitt's character Cliff Booth to the ranch was a thing the girls did, luring guys out there with their bodies, all that was accurate. They had lookout people like Clem Davis, who apparently had a low IQ, stick a knife in Rick Dalton's car's tire is also very Manson-y, since they all had knives.
FD: Of course, the end of the film is not accurate.
B: Tarantino is probably counting on people having a base knowledge of what happened so the viewer could get caught up in the specific events of that night and start worrying about the murders in advance. Tate and friends did go to a Mexican restaurant that night. Her friends were smoking marijuana and hash in the house. Sharon Tate liked to go around in her bikini panties and her bra. In the movie, they actually had her covered up quite a bit. She was eight and a half months pregnant. Everything until up to when the car pulls up in the driveway after midnight strikes me as accurate.
FD: What did you think about the change that Tarantino made afterwards?
B: I think it's interesting that Tex does largely say the same thing--"I'm the devil. I've come to do the devil's business."--but taken out of context of the original murders, the movie makes him sound absolutely crazy and not very interesting.
FD: Right, Tarantino makes him banal.
FD: What did you think of the movie's organization? It seemed a bit disjointed at times as it switches from the Manson family to Rick Dalton's television clips and his cowboy acting crises to Sharon Tate enjoying watching herself in The Wrecking Crew . . .
B: I think Tarantino wanted to show everybody's desire to be part of the industry. Even the hippie girls who were opposed to the Man or whatever, those in the counterculture, were having themselves reflected on television when a producer obliged Dalton to wear long hair and dress in a fringe leather coat. Meanwhile, they shot Bonanza and other westerns on the Spahn ranch, so the movie has a lot of underlying connections.
FD: In the film, Manson cult members did make the point that television shows mostly consisted of murder narratives, so it makes sense that they would turn to killing as a reflection of that pop culture. "You showed us the technique, so why wouldn't we practice the same activity?" Do you buy that argument?
B: Yes. But that explicit statement is also Tarentino's tongue in cheek reference to his own frequently murderous movies. Also, it you grew up in the Vietnam war era, you were exposed to violence on TV all of the time. It's interesting how both Cliff and Dalton are not participating much in that counterculture zeitgeist. Though Cliff is on the fringe. He lives in moderate squalor, buys acid-laced cigarettes from a hippy girl, gives a girl a ride, and wears suede moccasins. Manson often wore buckskin and suede.
FD: Dalton and Cliff were throwbacks to the late 50s to some degree.
B: Right--the western is in that Eisenhower-era world, where the bad guys are rounded up at the end and all Native Americans are villains. As an actor, Dalton moves from playing the good guy to being the heavy, and it's easy to tell who is who in the Hollywood mythic world. However, the liminal grey area is what most people live in. It's a Hollywood fairy tale to believe otherwise.
FD: What does the movie emphasize about the cultural differences between the late 60s and today? You can make the claim that everything changed after the Manson murders. Up until that point, you had the summer of love atmosphere of peace, brotherhood, and pastoral pleasures outdoors, but then the Manson gang reintroduced a fear of strangers that we still live with today.
B: Well, a lot of people hated the hippies. Dalton (DiCaprio) pronounced them dirty. Meanwhile, Cliff wears moccasins, but then again, Manson also wore moccasins. Manson also wore the fringe jacket much like the one that Dalton wears (that one also sees on Jon Voight in Midnight Cowboy 1969). At times, the filmmakers dress up Dalton so that he strongly resembles Charles Manson with his long hair parted on the side. Manson wore lots of buckskin leather.
FD: It's funny how the cowboy and the hippie come together in unexpected ways.
B: They are both renegades. They live by their own rules, outside of the civilized culture.
FD: What did you think of Tarantino's development of characters such as Sharon Tate or Cliff?
In many ways, even though the Manson family appeared to be antiestablishment, Manson had a lot of ambitions. He had many schemes, and all of it involved power. He wanted to be a rock star. The girls were otherwise a means to an end. He just used the girls. I think that comes across in the film to some degree.
FD: What did you make of the fact that Manson hardly appeared in the movie at all?
B: That's probably accurate of his presence in the real 1969. He was the puppeteer behind everything. That's the way he is in Helter Skelter (1974). He was the last person captured in the raids because he was hidden. He was "good" at his job because he would convince people to do things and then he withdraws.
B: If you go back to The Fearless Vampire Killers (1967), Roman Polanski and Sharon Tate end up together, and in the last scene, she's also resurrected at the end of that movie too. At any rate, I agree that Tarantino does foreground Sharon Tate when it comes to the various victims. Also, the Tate family has fully kept the Manson gang imprisoned until some have died in jail, including Manson himself last year. The violent ending of the movie is cathartic, but after that, the alternate storyline about Sharon Tate is bittersweet because the audience knows it's not true.